Look What I Found This Evening!
I find it mildly interesting that the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood published this, considering that Albert Mohler (a defender of Debbie Maken) is a member of the organization (right along with other noteworthies such as C.J. Mahaney, J. Ligon Duncan, Joshua Harris, and John Piper). The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, perhaps.
The Marriage Mandate crowd might flip if they see this.
The Marriage Mandate crowd might flip if they see this.
posted by Anakin Niceguy at 8:09 PM
12 Comments:
Hey Anakin,
Unfortunately, no, this is from the Fall of 2000. The first indication that there was a movement heading this way was way back in the spring of 2003 when Albert Mohler presented his position on a radio program:
http://resources.christianity.com/details.aspx?showcode=mrki&xml=mrki_20030324_4ED12951-FE91-4679-9FC0-D192A2DA1DBA
Thus, I would say that this was written at least three years before anyone publically came out and took the position we now know as the "Marriage Mandate" position.
Unfortunately, that seems to be the way things go when it comes to Christian views of relationships. Just one fad after another.
God Bless,
PuritanCalvinist
Yeah, don't get too excited, Anakin. If anything, all it does is justify the marriage mandate's reason for existing in the first place, and that is that the "GoS" thing went too far. Everything the MM supporters do and say is reaction to that.
True enough, it's an old article, but I haven't seen CBMW publish a retraction. Mohler and company are going to have to deal with something still available at that site even if it was written five years ago.
It's all so simple. Some are single and feel it to be a blessing. Others are married and feel it to be a blessing.
Then there are a huge number of single Christian women who are unfit for marriage. This group rallies around the Marriage Mandate flag.
It's all so simple, really.
Have a happy 2008, everyone! Except for the Maken Girls, of course, they'll be celebrating another year of lonely bitterness.
Hi Anakin,
I've missed your posts! I am so glad you are back.
There is a new book out titled "get married" by Candice Watters. If you would like to have a crackity crack at the book, it has recently been published.
I am a single woman in my late twenties and I would like to marry. Candice's book is pretty good, even though I think it is geared more for the voluntarily sheltered Christian who wants to find another voluntarily sheltered Christian. However, I have noticed that this book and the Maken book are written to promote legalism and fear. They assume that it is the men who want freedom and the Christian women (who, by the way, don't swear, don't watch Southpark, and don't fart) who are nurturing, sanctimonious and craving a big strong Christian man to take them away from the big, bad world of working, paying bills and eating alone.
I just love how the Harrisonians (Josh Harris followers, Makenites and Mohlerites love to assume that every Christian wants to live in a bunker. If you read several of the books and blogs, you will notice that veneer, if you haven't already.
There is a kind of "us against them" mentality among the Maken Girls and the Josh Harris followers.
They seem to be working overtime to keep the churches women-friendly and push ordinary men away. Ironically, the more they do this, the angrier they become.
Very odd.
PuritanCalvinist Said:
"Unfortunately, that seems to be the way things go when it comes to Christian views of relationships. Just one fad after another."
Sadly, this is very true. The marriage mandate movement is a unBiblical fad that has come and, from the looks of it, appears to be in the process of going. It may not vanish overnight, but it is slowly fading.
I have noticed that Maken's blog has been silent since August. I suppose she got tired of going on the same merry-go-round.
Martin.
Maken and "Captain Sensible" were both very humiliated by Maken's public dressing down by Internet trolls. That's why Maken's gone quiet and the "Captain" is recycling the same old tired arguments.
Maken got upset and admitted her idea of a "Christian" husband was basically a rich man that a woman could control. That's why Maken is periodically named Debbie "many luxury vacations" Maken.
What does one say to women who cannot find a rich man to nag and control?
The best answer is "be content in your singleness" or "the Lord has gifted you with singleness".
Meanwhile more men are leaving Christianity; mainly because most men aren't emasculated, over-religious and wealthy. That is the only variety of husband these women want.
Anakin, I'm glad to see you're still around.
By the way, Adam has posted an excellent rebuttal of Candice Watters on his PuritanCalvinist blog.
In response to "anonymous" who posted on 1/5 at 5:33 PM, I just looked over at Captain Nonsense's blog. His/her latest post is entitled, "Benefits to the devil (the "destroyer") of Christian singleness."
**sigh**
Won't the marriage mandate crowd deal with that article using their usual method of just ignoring it? Like they do with any inconvenient fact that gets in the way.
I'm so glad I found this blog. I thought I was the only one who saw the problem in my church.
I'm a 25 year old man who just stopped attending church. I have been
a member of a Foursquare congregation that pushes marriage as hard as the Mormon church. I finally realized that they were lying. Their stand is unbiblical and evil. So where does that leave me? At home on Sunday, and investing my tithing donations in a 401K account. Somehow I think I'll profit more that way.
I think I still believe, and certainly in God, but my faith in Christianity has been shaken to the core. The women ran my church, and I suspect, most of the others.
Oh, well. I still have my Bible.
Disillusioned Stephen
Actually, the Council removed that article recently. Determined as obsolete.
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